The Neighbor Downstairs

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[SPEAKER_00]: Warning check the locks podcast is a true crime podcast and may contain graphic descriptions of violence, murder, sexual assault, and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Texas, a couple and their children move into a condominium complex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What starts as a dispute between neighbors will end with two people dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join me, John Connor, as I discussed the murder of Michelle Jackson and Jamie Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Check The Locks Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and thank you for joining me as I dive into yet another truly terrifying true crime case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started as always, I hope that you were doing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's been a wonderful week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually off last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I do extend my apologies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a tooth just to be very upfront.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry if this is graphic, but I have a tooth that will need to come out at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to have a bridge put in, but the dentist is asking for an ungodly amount of money just because of the country that we have in and the way that health care and stuff works here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually it's okay, but from time to time, there's a little bit of a flare up and I have to take some antibiotics and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when that happens, it is incredibly painful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So doing better now, again, really appreciate everybody hanging in there and giving me a little bit of grace for being off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do really try not to miss any episodes if I don't have to, but I was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in good shape at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that being said, feeling much, much better, happy to be back, happy to dive into this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never heard about this case before, and I know I say that a lot, but this is a particular case that I am really interested in hearing what the listeners and the locksmiths are going to have to say about this one because I think everyone can relate to the situation that the people in this case find themselves in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just tell you a little bit about neighbors, and I know

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at some point, everyone has had a neighbor that maybe we didn't get a long width or some of that nature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm again, just super excited to hear your input and what you think about this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And where you fall as well, because I feel like we're going to get broken into two different camps as we go through this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll talk about it a little bit again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say it's not going to be a super long episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as I was going through, kind of looking for something interesting to

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one caught my eye, and I'm really excited to break it down and to hear what y'all think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get into the stabby stabby, let's go ahead and break down this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On February 4, 2013, Keith Morris was working as the maintenance supervisor for the Sable Ridge Condominiums, located North Dallas, Texas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At around 8am Morris was picking up trash from the parking lot when he heard the sounds of two people shouting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked up and noticed the woman in a night gown standing on her second floor balcony, arguing with a man standing outside the ground floor unit below.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that man was 76-year-old Chun Kim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim and his wife were South Korean immigrants, and they had lived in the condo complex for over a decade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But around February of 2011, a dispute would begin that would eventually end in murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was around that time that Kim would get new neighbors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle Jackson and her boyfriend, Jamie Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle was pursuing a degree in education, while also volunteering about 30 hours a week for AmeriCorps Vista, a national program that plays volunteers and local organizations to help combat poverty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle also served at the local non-profit Dallas Community Lighthouse, where she spent time tutoring disadvantaged children in reading, math, and language arts, earning a small stipend

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[SPEAKER_01]: The couple would move in a above-chunk him and his wife, along with Michelle's four elementary age children from a previous marriage, leading to immediate issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim owned the condo that he and his wife lived in, and he seemed to have a problem with Michelle and Jamie renting their unit on a month-to-month basis, seemingly extra irritated by the fact that it was being rented a section-aid housing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, kids are kids and they have no control over where they live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like normal children, they would play inside their condo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Kim apparently had a big problem with the noise that the family brought with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reportedly banging on the ceiling and demanding quiet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this wasn't the first time that Kim had had issues with someone who lived near him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 2006 on New Year's Day, Kim had gotten to an altercation with another neighbor, during which he threatened to shoot the man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, in September of 2007, he was taken into protective custody after he walked into the condominium office and threatened to quote, ''kill everyone.''

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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently upset with the other tenants' conduct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time, he was carrying both a gun and ammunition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sound of the children bothered him, but things would only get worse when the family above them bought a dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: According to reports, Michelle and Jamie would allow the animals to use the bathroom on the patio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it was time to clean the mess, they would hose it off, causing the dog poop and urine to fall directly onto Kim's patio below, infuriating their neighbor, and leading to an ongoing dispute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The neighbors would argue constantly, leading Kim to report the behavior to the condos homeowner's association in August of 2012.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Additionally, Kim contacts an animal control, providing both with photos of his balconies poop-street windows, floors, and walls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, animal control would intervene, removing the dog from the family's home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But sadly, the issues would continue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In December of 2012, Michelle and Jamie would welcome their fifth child into the world,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, perhaps in an act of retaliation for the removal of the dog, the couple began tossing the child's dirty diapers off of the balcony, causing them to land directly on Kim's below, again infuriating the long time resident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim again reported the behavior to the HOA, and maintenance was sent to power washes balcony on more than one occasion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim also reported the issue to the Dallas Police Department as well as the Department of Health and Human Services.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The situation was escalating and temper seemed to be running hotter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Emails from the HOA confirmed that the dispute had been going on for months with one reading, quote, Mr. Kim is about to reach his breaking point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leading the homeowner's association to coordinate Michelle and Jamie's eviction process, which was set to begin on February 1 of 2013.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But sadly, nothing would be done in time, and Kim would never be notified that the eviction was going to take place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then on January 31, Chung Kim found more poop on his balcony, but this time something was different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a dirty diaper or scattered dog species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The excrement seemed to be piled up deliberately on his property.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for Kim, this was the final straw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leading to the argument that Keith Morris, the maintenance manager, would witness on February 4th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Morris watched from the parking lot, and the argument got more and more heated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, according to the maintenance manager, Kim pulled a handgun, firing and striking Michelle Jackson as she stood on her upstairs balcony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Kim wasn't done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He then walked upstairs and entered the couple's unit, where he began opening fire on Jamie Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stafford was hit while attempting to escape, falling to the ground below as he tried to climb over the patio wrangling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with witnesses reporting a total of eight shots being fired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, the newborn was unharmed, and the couple's other four children were at school at the time that their parents were murdered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the violent act was over, Kim climbed inside his black Lexus SUV and drove away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neighbors would call the police and report the gruesome scene, and Kim would be pulled over and arrested only a few blocks away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be charged with two counts of capital murder and the trial would begin just shy of a year after the attack took place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On January 7, 2014, during which Chun Kim offered a bizarre story, claiming self-defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim told the jury that he had confronted Jamie Stafford about the issue downstairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: According to Kim, Stafford walked up to his unit and returned with a gun pointed at him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim testified that he used his quote, expertise in martial arts to dishonest Stafford before shooting him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Admitting to killing Jamie in self-defense, but claiming to have no idea how Michelle Jackson was shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Claiming that he had blacked out at some point during the altercation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the prosecution told a different story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They described finding the Glock 45 used in the murders and owned by Kim in the Lexus at the time he was arrested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Additionally, Tess revealed a large amount of gunpowder residue found on Kim's hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, his holster was found to contain three different DNA profiles when tested, belonging to himself, Michelle Jackson, and Jamie Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, the jury would side with a prosecution, and Chung Kim was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's this week's case, and as I had mentioned at the top, I'd know this was a shorter one, but I do have a ton of thoughts on this, and as I mentioned, I am very excited to hear where the listeners, the locksmiths, where you guys fall in this case as well, because I will say first and foremost, what Chung Kim did was wrong in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: inexcusable no matter what type of dispute that you're in, especially when it comes to your neighbors and it's something like this, there is no reason, no excuse, no nothing that would say it is okay to murder two people in cold blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just completely 100% unacceptable, inexcusable,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I say that to say that if I was in Chung Kim's situation, if I was in his shoes, I can 100% relate and understand being infuriated by what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, no reason to murder anyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are our paths and channels you can go through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll talk a little bit about the murder aspect here in just a moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as I was going through, I was like, man, I'm just trying to think of like, if my neighbor next door to me every day, just flung their dog waste over the fence and hit my house with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked them to stop and they did it continuously, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be infuriated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would be having words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'd be out on the front lawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would definitely be arguing and, and, you know, other neighbors would definitely hear it because

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you live in a neighborhood or in a condo complex, like there are certain things that you have to do to co-exist with a people around you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And washing your dogs waste onto your neighbor's balcony is definitely not one of those things that you should be doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to the homeowner's association.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's calling the police.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's calling animal control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like it's just taking forever to get any kind of help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just continues happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once the dog is removed, then all of a sudden seemingly out of spite, now I'm going to throw my dirty diapers on to your patio, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now instead of a dog poop, it's baby poop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, I can't imagine anybody in that situation would come out onto their patio and not feel incredibly angry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these condo complexes, apartment complexes, they have dedicated areas where you can take your dog to walk them, have them go to the bathroom, you know, you pick up after you walk around the old like bag on your hand, you pick up the business you throw it away, right, like that's the way that we do it in these environments, right, that polite side aspect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine it's incredibly easy to feel disrespected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, just like these people are being downright root and I think those feelings are justified.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't believe the killing was justified at all, but I believe being frustrated and and taking all of those steps 100% justified.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't sit here and say that if I was chunk him, I wouldn't be doing everything I could to get my neighbors evicted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I will also say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that it does seem to be an element of racism in this case, where, you know, chunk him owns his unit, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came to America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He bought this condo, him and his wife have lived there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They care about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then for some reason, he just seems to have a problem with the unit upstairs being rented for Section 8 housing, which

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, to me that does, and it's just my speculation, but it reads, you know, a little bit of racism in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe not even a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be very blatantly racist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, in this case, you know, he hasn't made any remarks about that specifically, but in the research, it did indicate that that was a problem for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in Michigan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a large immigrant population in Michigan that I do know that people come to this country and they work really hard and they buy a house and they care about that house and they want it to be nice and I think like you know everyone does like you want to be proud of where you live and the home that you live in you want it to be nice and you know someone disrespects that it can be easy to be very you know angry and and to want to confront someone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when I said I see both sides, I also understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle and and Jamie, you know, they moving into this this condo, you know, they've got their kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably excited to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their kids are playing in their rooms and running around and all of a sudden you just hear a banging, you know, from the from the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody's just yelling at you to be quiet all this time and, you know, it just seems like you, you can't be yourself in your house because this person is always just yelling and screaming and complaining about you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm also a very petty person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife gives me our time about it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I can be very petty if I decide to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I can't say I don't understand me and like, yeah, I'm just, you know, I'm just washing away this dog waste and I guess it lands where it lands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like if you're going to complain about me, I'm going to give you something to complain about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy because it feels like two groups of people who are just refusing to move or to work together, and it's just like escalating escalating, you know, and it's like, oh, you didn't like my dog poop?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're getting dirty diapers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I will tell you, I grew up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a neighbor, the son and the house next to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were the same age in the same grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, this kid just loved to torment me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we were both walking home from school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd jump me and just beat me up on the sidewalk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had to walk home next to the guy who just jumped me, you know, like nine years old, 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or he would knock on the door and be like, hey, can John come out and play and then he would, as soon as I stepped out, you punch me in the stomach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he would, you just kind of bullied me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember my dad did not think that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I remember,

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[SPEAKER_01]: verbal screaming matches in the backyard over the fence and and calling each other every name in the book and You know if you step foot on my property.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do this if you step foot on my property.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So You know sometimes you are forced to live next to someone or maybe you get some place and you're not expecting that neighbor and then all of a sudden Like boom now I'm at war with this person so

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's one of those things where I just feel so terrible for the children, you know, because all they did was go to school and they came home and their parents are dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lives that are ruined, not just Michelle and Jamie, and, you know, now they're their new child doesn't have parents, but also the four kids that Michelle had from the Ruby as marriage, like now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: their stability, it could be impacted forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they went to school and came home and their life was changed forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's just, it's a really, really heartbreaking story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, something that didn't have to escalate to where it escalated to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that brings me to want to talk about Chung Kim specifically, because as I was doing the research, and you'll also kind of see people talk about this case, it feels like people fall into two camps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, there are people who believe that, you know, Chung Kim was just trying to keep his house nice and he was just pushed and pushed until he snapped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is what ended up leading to the events that happened and why two people lost their lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is also a group of people who believe that Chung Kim was a violent man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He threatened to shoot another neighbor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He threatened to kill everyone in the condo complex because of how they were acting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it wasn't Michelle and Jamie, that eventually would have been someone else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just looking for an excuse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say, me personally, I think I fall more into that camp, not so much the, I was pushed the edge, but he was eventually going to hurt somebody regardless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I, you know, fall on it personally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he had a lot of rage inside of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not like the people that he lived around and he was set on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if somebody cross him, he was going to do what he felt that he had to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, this dispute between Kim and Michelle and Jamie, they just ended up being the ones that, you know, pushed him to the point where he was like, okay, I'm finally going to do this, but I don't think that this was just, you know, I snapped one day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was predispositioned to do something incredibly violent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are my thoughts on the case, but as always, I want to hear from you, the listeners, the locksmiths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where does the murder of Michelle Jackson and Jamie Stafford fall on your devil test?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can let me know, reach out on Instagram and check the locks pod, find me on Twitter and check the locksmith, and not in our Facebook group, what the heck are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I say it all the time, but it's the best place on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just shout out to Scott in our Facebook group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he always says, welcome to the chill zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just good people talking about stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, there's not a lot of places on the internet right now that aren't super highly charged and, you know, confrontational our Facebook group is definitely one of those places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you would like to be a member of our community,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would absolutely love to have you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also wanted to take a moment because I actually received a Spotify comment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was really excited to get this for a couple of different reasons, first because this comment was actually related to the murder of Jesse Valencia, which is a case that we did on the podcast way back when if you've been listening for a long time, that was actually our 50th full episode, so not counting the true crime for the short on times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, our 50th full case that we did at that time, and, I mean, now the podcast has over 300 episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is going way, way back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing is, and one of the reasons I was so happy to get this comment, this is from Kindle, and they said, I've lived near Columbia my entire life, and I found the story very interesting, and think it's crazy that I've never heard of this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just recently started listening to your podcast and they've started from the beginning and every story I hear is so interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kendall, thank you so much for listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think one of the reasons I love this comment so much is that, you know, I have done at this point over 300 episodes of the podcast and again, I know that it's changed and things like that and Olivia isn't with us anymore and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the format's just a little bit different, but to know that there are people out there who are still finding the show and listening from the beginning, it just means the absolute world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just, again, just makes him want to keep going, keep going, keep going, because, you know, if people are just finding it and liking it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a really, really cool feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Kendall, thank you for listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope when you get all caught up like two years from now, here in this episode, and you are happy that we shouted out, but we are so happy to have you as a listener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: part of our locksmith community, thank you so, so much for taking the time to leave those kind words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that, you know, that case resonated with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is always weird when, you know, you learn about something crazy in an area you grew up that you just never knew about before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, really appreciate you taking the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you'd like to reach out to the show, you can leave a Spotify comment, you can leave a Apple podcast review, you can send an email at contact at checklockspod.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go to check eloxpot.com, you can also leave a voicemail there as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would absolutely love to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We take all correspondence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't find the answer to some more of the show, definitely understand just listening, sharing the show with your friends, your family, the people who are important to you, it means just as much if not more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's all about that grassroots growth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about people finding the show like Kindle, just kind of finding it and sticking with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have done anything to help contribute to that, just know it really does mean the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this podcast grows when you tell people about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're sharing this podcast in any way, just know from the bottom of my heart, it means so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is all I have for you for this week's case, but please make sure that you're subscribed to check the locks on your favorite podcast app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the you never missed an episode, I will see you again next week with another truly terrifying true crime case, but until then remember, monsters are real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So stay safe, stay ready, and don't forget to check the locks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See you next week.