The Minnesota Waitress Murders PT. 3

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[SPEAKER_00]: Warning check the locks podcast is a true crime podcast and may contain graphic descriptions of violence, murder, sexual assault, and more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Check the locks podcast is not appropriate for all listeners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener discretion is strongly advised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: welcome back to check the box by cast as always.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm John Connor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Olivia Kornu.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing for joining us this week as we dive into the final part of a truly terrifying true crime case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But before I get into that Olivia, my friend, my co-host, my partner, crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How's your weekend?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which went up to you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not up to a whole lot went to Knoxville this past weekend and had a couple days off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, just live in life, I guess, what about you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but not so much just working.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I am kind of bummed out that you were so close, but we didn't get chances to each other, but I know it was a really quick trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so nothing just been working and working on some stuff for the changes that are coming up and things of that nature.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just kind of ironing out and getting prepared there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will tell you, and I wanted to ask about this, and I want to save it so we got into the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you watched any of the new monster edgain series at all that just came out on Netflix?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was curious because did you watch the Dom or one that they had?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I still haven't watched that one yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you are a fan of Charlie Hunnam who played Jackson Son of Anarchy or Son of Anarchy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's in this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's Ed Geen, he plays the serial killer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is terribly not historically accurate at all, but it was still a lot of fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a...

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[SPEAKER_02]: it was, it was definitely interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same due to does like American horror story and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many episodes is it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's eight, eight total.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's going to be another season Earth's just like a one and done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the next season I think is going to be Lizzy board because they've done, uh, they did, Ed, or they did, uh, Dommer, then they did them and then does brothers, uh, and then okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all the same.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just called monster and they do a different,

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[SPEAKER_02]: case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I said, definitely not historically accurate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, they, they know spoilers, but you know, they definitely try to humanize them in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was a very interesting watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you get a chance, definitely check it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're listening to the podcast and you've

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, let us know in the Facebook group or drop us a line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what you thought of it because I know a lot of people have been watching it and it's it's a little divisive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people are like, oh, I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And other people are like, this is just absolutely crazy and untrue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's kind of it's splitting some hairs off to go back and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Watch the down on one first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The domer one, that one, like, who I was unsettled?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched that, so I feel dirty watching this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, go and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so watch it is good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I will say Charlie Humbin turns in a performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is amazing in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether you like it because the story is true or not, he is absolutely awesome in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a bunch of Addison Ray isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... the uh... and jackie from rosan uh... lorry met calf plays there's one deep on that it's yes kind of stack so it's uh... there's some people in two were like oh man i don't know your name but i know you been in a bunch of stuff so

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wish you would have seen it, because then it's not just me telling you about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can be talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never say it's about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But next time, send me a reminder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this week is my week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are actually going to wrap up part three of the Minnesota waitress murders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I know we kind of went through everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last episode we covered first and second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I figured we could go through it this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Close everything out and then give our final thoughts on the on the case as a whole put it on the devil test.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we should get to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll establish that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be sure it on to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll represent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll let it work tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care I had hers on yesterday and I was like, hey, look at that, mine I've worn it so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even have anything on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it just says less, they'd be, they'd be more, it's the most of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, all the lettering's coming off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, it's eye-dice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's jump on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when we left off, Joseph Terry had been arrested in charge with the murder of Marlos Wallenhouse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Prosecutors now have the job of building a case against him, and to do so, they look back into Terry's past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Questions about another terrible crime still lingered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The murder of the healing family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nineteen years later, investigators revisited the December 1978 run-in with right county deputy sheriff Gary Miller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you may remember from part one that Terry was found with some suspicious items in this possession, a metal bar, a list of women's names, and a toy Batmobile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time, there was nothing definitive to tie Terry to the healing murders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But now, the prosecution believed that they had found a connection.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alice Huling had two sons, Wayne, who was brutally murdered, and Billy, who had survived the attack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Both were at the age where they wouldn't have played with batman toys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Investigators believed that the toy found in the car Terry's stole could have come from the healing home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to prove it, they would have to track down the sole survivor of the attack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The now adult Billy Healing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1998, Billy Hooling was enlisted in the Navy and living in San Diego, California.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had spent his life trying to put what had happened to his family behind him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only to be faced with it again, 20 years later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In an interview with A&E's cold case files, Billy said he received a call asking him if he would be willing to review some potential evidence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was then, almost jokingly, that Billy asked the investigator a question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you find my Batmobile?

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[SPEAKER_02]: According to Billy, it had gone missing on the day that his family was killed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only to turn up in Terry's possession for days later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Investigators now believe that Terry had taken the toy as a souvenir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something to remind him of the monstrous accident committed that cold Minnesota night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, a case that had been cold

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[SPEAKER_02]: Special Agent Randy Stricker would go back and reveal the autopsy photos of Alice Hueling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time, her body was found, detectives noticed strange bruising on her corpse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this was originally believed to be caused by the butt of a shotgun, but to stricker, the bruises didn't seem to be consistent with that original determination.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, he took the photos to an expert.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Michael McGee, a medical examiner and forensic pathologist who specialized in pattern injury recognition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. McGee noticed an elongated bruise with a clear upper and lower border.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the middle were small areas of hemorrhage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This suggested that Alice Hilling had been beaten with a long tubular metal object, most likely with holes board into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when investigators reviewed the items found in Tories possession back in 1978, they made an interesting discovery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The metal bar that was recovered was a perfect match to Dr. McGee's description.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The doctor then compared the bar to the autopsy photos and in his professional opinion, it was a perfect match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And with that, investigators had all the evidence they needed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In Joseph Tore was officially charged with the murder

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Olivia before going further, what you thinking, where's your head at?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm just shocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that this is going, you know, that this has come into an end, but I'm just shocked that they'd let so many key points like just slide under the radar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could have obviously looked at that bruising and saw that it matched the pipe exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then for Billy to be like, what, you found my Batmobile?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have just been like case clothes were done here, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, I felt like they let some things slide to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: from the from the beginning of this case, but I'm glad that we're starting to see, you know, the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think part of it honestly is just when this crime took place because, you know, we've talked about it before, but, you know, just back then, these departments didn't communicate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you may be two towns over and you may not know that, you know, there was a certain kind of bruising or

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know what I mean, you may not know enough to even put the pieces together, you know, because from from what it seems like, like, they were like, we know this dude did something, but it's all circumstantial, especially when the first investigators were like, we came in with a shotgun and killed everyone, so we probably beat her with that shotgun, you know, I just think part of it is just the time, but I was wondering kind of what you thought

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, here's this man now, it's been 20 years since his entire family was murdered with him, you know, being in the home and he's done his best to, like, put it past him and signed up for the Navy and is like, you know, if you're talking San Diego, California, that is a complete opposite of Minnesota, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it kind of felt like he was trying to start new chapter, but I was trying to put myself in his shoes of getting that phone call 20 years later and being like, hey, we think we found something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how I would handle it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just curious, like if anything was going through your mind or how you think you would do in that situation, because I would just be like, no, like I've done everything I can to like get as far away from that responsible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I feel like with his response, he was so ready to...

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sounds like he's done his therapy, you know, he's like, what, you found my Batmobile, like, yeah, I've been dealing with this my whole life knowing that this happened and, you know, that person walks free and that's probably something that brought him comfort at his young age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be like, the key memory he may not remember his family getting murdered, but he remembers losing his Batmobile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have the same situation where I lost a barbedrust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could take exactly what it looked like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was my favorite one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We moved out of a house and into another.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my barbedrust was gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in my key memories as a child that I can remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, like, that'd be like, okay, what you found my barbedrust?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, 100% and one of the things that really stood out to me, I did watch, you know, a lot of the cold case files episode on this because it did have the interviews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even Joseph Terry speaks in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can hear what he sounds like and but there's a clip of Billy as a kid after it happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's sitting there and he's telling this room full of police officers what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just kept finding myself being like, man, this kid's so brave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: To go through that and then to come in and be able to sit there and talk about it and be like, this is exactly what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is everything that I remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I can't imagine how hard that would be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it just seems like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, he healed it really well or as well as could be expected as a kid and then grew up to do his best to kind of like, I'm still going to have a good life despite of this, you know, so I can imagine you put that much time in that you get that call 20 years later and you're like, man, this is something that's going to haunt me forever if I don't work with them and try to get it, you know, close for good if that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm hoping we haven't finished

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what do you say you want to get in here and wrap it up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's keep going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joseph Terrie would stand trial for the healing murders in Stearns County, Minnesota, in 2000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would only take the jury 12 hours to find Terrie guilty on four counts of murder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sentence to life for each of the four counts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now this would be on top of the life sentence Terrie received for the murder of Marlos

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joseph Terri is currently serving six consecutive life sentences at the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Stillwater, Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Over the years, Terri has continued to claim his innocence, and he would go on to file an appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court, but the convictions were hold, with the conviction being upheld in the killing case in 2001, and the Wallen House murder in 2004.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For Billy Healing, the conviction would give him a chance at a fresh start.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Telling CBS in 2004, I chose to go on with my life, move on with my life and do the best I can do with what basically God gave me, another chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For Marlis' mother, Fran Wallenhouse, finally getting answers provided some type of peace, saying in an interview that it was like a freeing of her soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Special agents ever do little and Randy Stricker, Terry is exactly where he should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Believing he's too dangerous to rejoin society.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But now, in fact, in interestingly enough, while in prison in 1998, Joseph Turrie confessed to yet another murder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This time it was 20-year-old Joan Marie Bearsbach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On November 5, 1979, Joan left her apartment in St.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cloud, Minnesota, headed to a nearby school to play in a volleyball game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next day her vehicle would be found in the parking lot of a Perkins restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time, Witnesses reported seeing Joan eating alone, and it was then that she was approached by an unidentified man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sadly, her skeletal remains would be found on October 2, 1984, in the Mississippi River near Manicella.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Terry reportedly made a jailhouse confession, but liked the murder of Marlis and the healing family, he would later recant, proving that even though Joseph Terry is behind bars, we may never know the full extent of the crimes that he committed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this one was a doozy, and I liked that it was so many parts number one, um, but I, so I go back to what I was saying about how I think they could have done more investigating, but I also get like you were saying they had the shotgun and you just thought it got

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he beat her with the shotgun case closed move on, you know, I guess it just didn't think that it would matter, but then when they found those random things and turies possession, that should have like raised some more red flags.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, why did you not ask who that bout will be able to belong to, knowing that a family was murdered and there was a kid that survived.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that it came to an end and that the family got justice one way or the other But I just I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like they kind of slacked off a little bit Yeah, I Have a hard time with it because like if you go back to the the first part of this episode Like they asked them about the car and first he said it was his grandkids And then they were like your grandkids you're like oh, no, I'm sorry I mean my niece and my my nephew right so there was like just making shit up

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I, like, there is a part of me that, you know, why I am happy that there was justice for the healing family that there was justice for Diane Edwards that there was, you know, a justice for Marlis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where I can imagine being a family member and being like, yes, there was justice, but this was 20 years in the making.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for 20 years I've lived

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just feels like throughout this case, there was chances we just didn't go far enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like calling forward and making sure it was him that was working and not as dad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or taking that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just very simple errors in this whole investigation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like just simple, not half-assing your job and getting it done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they could have solved it way longer ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think the other thing to that gets me is like, if he wouldn't have wanted to come for your cell, right, or like a chance to get to the state hospital, maybe he never confesses to killing Diane Edwards, maybe he doesn't write those letters that give, you know, the special agents, the clues that they needed 20 years later to the job, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like why there was obviously really good police work done by special agent striker and special agent do little.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't have been able to do that without the information that Terry provided and he had to provide it because it was so fumbled as the case is progressed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just hard because you're glad that that, you know, he was brought to I mean, six consecutive life sentences, no joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just for the people that we know about, like, there are people that he has been found guilty of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, kidnapping and attempted rape that their names aren't even mentioned in the research for any of these, you know, the stories that we covered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So who knows how long and how many people, like did he escalate to, you know, murder and he has a, you know, I don't know, it just feels like he was out there way longer than he should have been if that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there should be, there might be more to this story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, there definitely is like, I would not be surprised if, you know, 10 years from now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's another update and it's like, yep, he killed Joan Bears back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we've got the evidence now, you know, so, but if we're talking debble tests, because I know this kind of spans a lot of different victims over a long period of time, it hits on some intense things for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if we're talking debble tests, where does something like this fall for you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that we've gone through all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just too many murders, too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot like it was families and individuals and young women and, you know, just random acts of violence that those are the scary ones, you know, not that a lot of these aren't scary, but, you know, we do a lot of spouses and whatnot, not always say, you know, those are scary, but these are random and you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time and those scare me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think for me, and I'll just go ahead and tell you for me, I think this is going to be a 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, because there is the, you know, the healing family, there's also marvelous where it's very clear, like a home invasion situation, that is something for me that, I mean, those, that's always a 10, like that's like my, my check the locks, like worst fear is the home invasion stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jesus Christ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but that and then, you know, thinking about the age of these girls and like, I know I say this all time, but like being a dad and having Having a daughter that I'm like, you're going to grow up and you're going to get a job, maybe you're going to be a way to be out in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then there is also the element of like These girls were most likely murdered because of the fact that they just rejected them

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like he tried to flirt with him or ask him on a date and they said, no, and then all of a sudden you're a target.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think for women out there, like how many times have you been out somewhere and somebody's going to be like, Hey, I mean, you know, I mean, you're like, no, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, thanks for nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to think like that guy is like walking away from that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting in his car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now is like watching you, you know, as you leave wherever you are, you're like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's, that's scared.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And terrifying dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very terrifying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's scary to walk this button as a woman, John.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have told my wife, like if it's an attractive woman where to come up to me in a bar and just like start flirting with me or talking to me, I'd be like, what's your angle?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like who you trying to rob?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what you want from me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just figured this out now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a transaction element to this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're after something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I know women face that all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, so it's just, you know, I've been out with my wife in Nashville and seeing dudes like, like just looking over, you know what I mean, like trying to make eyes and I'm like, I'm literally standing right here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have a wedding ring on, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She belongs to me one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I belong to her one time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite stories It wasn't like millie wasn't that old, but we had gone out Once you have a kid, it's very like random that for or very seldom those first couple of years that you're like yeah We're gonna go out just me and you you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we went out one night and, you know, she was just feeling good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she got dressed up, she was feeling great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we were there and we had a couple drinks or whatever on the way home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had the window rolled down, we're driving down Broadway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And every guy, she was like, given finger guns to, it was like, hey, I mean, then I'm like, and then here in the shout like shout back, I was just dying in the front to eat because I was like, all right, go on, like feel yourself and feeling good right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, the thing that is still going home with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to think that an interaction like that could lead to

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[SPEAKER_01]: to, yeah, you being murdered, yeah, terrifying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or not only you, like I'm so mad, I'm murdering you and your entire family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I, for me, this is gonna be a 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, there's too much about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And how long he was out there and all the other stuff he was doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there was just, there's too much involved in this for me to be like, oh, you know, I'll give it like seven or something because it hits on a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just like, oh, God, it makes me feel good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a true psycho path.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm very manipulative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, like throughout he's trying to manipulate to get what he wants and luckily he fails, but, you know, he, that's like, you know, not to go back to the beginning, but we're talking about edging like edging famously didn't get a trial.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was put into like a state psychiatric hospital and it seems like this is what this guy was trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, just cushy baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take my medication every day and quilt and watch you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, that is where we fall in the double test for this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Olivia is coming in at a nine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am coming in at a 10.

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