The Abduction of Sierra LaMar

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 2012, a California teenager left home headed for the bus stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was never seen alive again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 14 years later, her family is still searching for answers and fighting for justice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join me, John Conner, as I discussed the abduction of Sierra Lamar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Check-A-Lox Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and thank you for joining me as I dive into yet another truly terrifying true crime case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started, as always, I just wanted to take a moment and say, I hope you were doing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope it has been a great week for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you're feeling well doing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just want to say thank you so much for letting me tag along to whatever it is you were doing while you're listening to this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate you letting me hang out with you and go in through this case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started, I just wanted to say up front.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to this week's episode, you may notice a lot of similarities between last week's case, which was the disappearance of Alli-Lowitzer, I don't know if it was something in my brain subliminally or something of that nature, but as I was going through and doing the research, again, I just found a lot of similarities with that particular case and what we're going to be talking about this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I promise it was not intentional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to do the same

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[SPEAKER_01]: got to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know if it is because I'm a dad or what we'll talk about it a little bit more towards the end of the episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there were some parts going through the research on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just really got under my skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, just kind of harking back to Allie Loatser's case as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, we'll touch on it a little bit as we go through the case here as well, but this actually ties back to another case that we did a little bit earlier this season in February.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So look out for that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with all that being said, we will go ahead and jump into this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll quit the Gabby Gabby get to the stabby stabby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go ahead and break this one down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The morning of March 16th, 2012, began like any other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 15-year-old Sierra Malamar was getting ready for school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sierra was born in Fremont, California, on October 19th, 1996.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had recently moved to the Morgan Hill area, living with her mother after her parents divorced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And while Sierra had only begun attending and subrata high school earlier in the year, she was already well-liked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had joined the cheerleeming team, and because she was funny and bright, she was able to make friends quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now on that morning in March, Sierra got out of bed to get ready for the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even snapping a quick selfie and posting it to social media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at about 7.15am, she grabbed her things and walked out the door, headed for the bus stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of this, she was the only student to get picked up at that particular stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After she left, Sierra's mother Marlene sent her daughter a few text messages, reminding her about the chores as she was supposed to do when she came home from school that day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when her daughter didn't respond, Marlene didn't worry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking that Sierra was just busy with schoolwork.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marlene wrapped up her work day at about 345 that afternoon, but she still hadn't received a response from Sierra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she called her daughter's phone, but there was no answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, Marlene was starting to worry, and that worry only grew when she arrived home to find the house empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now rightfully panicked, the distraught mother drove to the high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when she arrived, she was shocked to learn that Sierra had never made it to class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, Marlene had not received any notification about her daughter's absence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, she wouldn't receive an alert until 6pm that evening, coming in the form of an

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marlene was scared and concerned for Sierra's safety, so she called the police and reported the teenager missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, investigators originally classified Sierra as a missing person, however, they didn't initially suspect any file play, but they still proceeded with the investigation, checking the footage from the school bus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, the video proved that Sierra never climbed aboard that day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leading investigators to believe that something may have happened between home and the bus stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they began searching around the area, and the following day on March 17th, Officer's Founty Air was phone lying in an intersection in Morgan Hill about two miles from Sierra's home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Surprisingly, the phone was intact, and it appeared that it may have been thrown from a vehicle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But sadly, the device didn't lead to any clues as to where Sierra may be, so they continued searching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the following day, there was another discovery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only two intersections away lying on the side of the road near a shed was Sierra's pink juicy brand bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Inside was a folded set of clothing, including a pair of jeans and a San Jose Sharks T-shirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same outfit that Sierra was wearing on the day that she disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the bag in the clothing were sent to the crime lab for DNA testing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Sierra's case status was changed to an involuntary missing person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With investigators now believing that she may have been kidnapped or abducted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, a massive search was now underway for the missing girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, this search was actually organized by the Clause Kids Foundation, an organization created by Mark Clause after his daughter Polly was abducted from sleepover and murdered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if you listen to this podcast, you may remember that I actually covered Polly's case in February a little bit earlier in the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was still no sign of Sierra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: being charged with loot and lascivious acts with a girl under the age of 14 in 2007.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be found guilty and served eight months in the Alameda County prison, and having to register as a sex offender upon his release.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen claimed that he was innocent, and he told police that he had pleaded guilty to the previous charge based on some bad legal advice, and that he had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Investigators looked into Stephen and his activity on the day that his daughter went missing and were able to ultimately rule him out as a suspect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Additionally, there was nothing else in Sierra's home life that raised any red flags or indicated that she would voluntarily run away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So authorities began looking at every registered sex offender in the area, hoping to account for their whereabouts on the day that Sierra went missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and 12 days later on March 28th, 2012, a suspect landed on their radar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: DNA testing had been completed on the clothing that investigators found and a trace sample linked back to a man in the area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 21 year old Antolin Garcia Torres.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Garcia Torres's DNA was already in the law enforcement database from a previous crime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One that included felony battery that resulted in serious injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He drove a red Volkswagen Jetta and worked at a safeway grocery store nearby, living in an RV park with his pregnant girlfriend and mother, only seven miles from Sierra's bus stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So detectives placed Garcia Torres under 24-hour surveillance, and they began taking a closer look at his activity on the day that Sierra went missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, they reviewed security footage from the RV park where he lived.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the video, García Torres could be seen leaving in his jetta just 15 minutes before Sierra would have left her home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So detectives brought him in for questioning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when asked where he was headed that morning, he told investigators that he had gone on a solo fishing trip, with no witnesses to corroborate a story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He claimed to not know what had happened to Sierra, telling detectives that he only knew about the case from watching the news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when pressed about his DNA being found on Sierra's belongings, Garcia Torres offered a bizarre and unsettling theory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He told investigators that he enjoyed masturbating in his car, keeping a role of toilet paper or tissues to clean up before discarding them out the window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Garcia Torres suggested that one of the soil tissues could have landed on Sierra's bag, obviously explaining why his DNA was found on her belongings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But investigators weren't buying this ridiculous explanation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Additionally, witnesses told police that they saw a red jetter near the bus stop on the day that Sierra went missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on April 7th, detectives obtained a warrant and seize the vehicle, and when conducting their search, there was some damning evidence found.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Inside was a white rope with hair wrapped around it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those hairs would be tested and would be found to belong to Sierra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The girl's fingerprints were also found on the interior rear passenger door handle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the evidence that authorities needed, and on May 21st, 2012, and Tulan Garcia Torres was arrested and charged with a kidnapping and murder of Sierra Lamar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now the trial would begin in January of 2017, during which another bombshell was dropped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And toll in Garcia Torres pleaded not guilty, but it was revealed that he was involved in a series of attempted kidnappings in 2009, for which he was also charged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The women who were victimized told police that they had been attacked in the parking lots of Morgan Hills area safeway grocery stores.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The women told police that a man had approached them at night, either as they were entering their vehicles or preparing to drive away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in one of these cases, the man used the stun gun to subdue one of the women, entering her vehicle through the back door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now luckily, in each attack, the women's screams scared the man off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this particular case, the attacker dropped a stun gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Prince were pulled from the nine-volt battery inside, and they were a match to Anthol in Garcia Torres.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, due to being attacked at night, none of the women could identify him out of a photo lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that a fence argued that even if Sierra had been in his vehicle, that didn't mean there was enough evidence to convict García Torres of her murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On May 4th, 2017, the jury began deliberations, and only four days later, they announced that they had reached a verdict.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Antholen, Garcia Torres, was found guilty of all counts and sentenced to life in prison, and it seemed that for now justice had been served.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Garcia Torres refused to provide the location of Sierra's body, and this prevented the family from ever having a funeral for the 15-year-old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And only a month ago, in February of 2026, things got worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When California's six-apallet district court overturned García Torres's conviction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In their ruling, the court decided that without a body, murder weapon or crime scene, there wasn't sufficient evidence to hold up the conviction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, importantly, the court did not imply that the prosecution had the wrong man, rather there were procedural and argumentative problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They also allowed for Garcia Torres to be retried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to Sierra's family, it was a punch in the gut, and they're hoping that this decision is overturned by the California Supreme Court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, thankfully, and toll in García Torres is still behind bars while awaiting that decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as of the time of this recording, Sierra Lamar's remains have never been found.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like always, I wanted to share some final thoughts with you before we jumped into the debult test.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as I had mentioned at the top of the episode, a lot of similarities between this case and the disappearance of Allie Loitzer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First and foremost, you know, involving the school bus in the bus stop and then, you know, just never being found.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I talked about this a little bit last week so I'm not gonna harp on it super hard, but as a parent,

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[SPEAKER_01]: just knowing that something happened to your child and they may be out there whether they are alive or deceased, just not knowing not getting that closure and having to live with that day after day is something that I find absolutely gut-wrenching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is heartbreaking in a way that I just could not imagine having to go through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, my heart goes out to both the Lamars and the Loitzers, and I just hope that someday you do get those answers that you are looking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to think that, you know, this massive search was not only done but organized by the organization that was started by poly classes family, you know, to know that, you know, again, another little girl was abducted and murdered and taken from her family and it, this is the one aspect of this case that I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: actually made my heart feel a little bit warmer because again in these kind of circumstances I know I've talked about this before but I just feel like it would be so easy to shut down and shut out the world and kind of give up you know something like this where to happen to your child and so to know that the classes were out there and they started this organization to help others who have gone through something similar to what they've gone through

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going through a case like this, there's not a lot of positive rays, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can grab onto and focus on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, I found that to be really moving is that, again, this family has gone through such a terrible tragedy and they've been able to come out the other side in a way that helps other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's something beautiful about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, Garcia Terrace definitely took Sierra's life, the evidence is there, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is just my opinion, but finding the rope with the strands of hair, finding the fingerprints that DNA on her clothing that was adompt, right, knowing that he attacked three other women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to me it is very obvious that this was the right person and I know that our judicial system has to work in the way that it has to work and there are reasons why convictions get overturned and we have to do our best to make sure that if somebody is being sentenced for something like this that it's done correctly and the evidence is there and there aren't those missteps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, just going through everything here, there's no doubt in my mind who did this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I'm sure there is no doubt in the Lamar's mind who did this as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to see the person who you believe took your daughter's life

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[SPEAKER_01]: get their sentence overturned on a technicality right and now you're hoping okay hopefully the Supreme Court upholds the original decision and he stays in prison for the rest of his life because if I have to retry him I have to find all new evidence right like I can't go back and rely on what I have before I have to build a whole new case and it's now 14 years later so it's just so rough to think about

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[SPEAKER_01]: what this family must be going through and just talking about Garcia Torres.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just to be so brazen to admit, like, yeah, I'm masturbating my car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just throwing my tissues out and, you know, I've already been convicted and and charged with a felony assault, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've talked about a lot, but there are certain cases we do that truly do make me believe that monsters are 100% real and they are walking the street just like me and you, you know, and you have to be aware of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, my heart just breaks because Sierra had her whole life ahead of her, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything seems limitless, you know, and to know that she just never gets her shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a father, it's just heartbreaking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I mean, if you listen to this podcast, I think you know where I'm going to put this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a 10 across the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you again next week with another truly terrifying, true crime case, but until then remember, monsters are real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So stay safe, stay ready, and don't forget to check the locks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See you next week.