March 23, 2026

My Son, the Monster

My Son, the Monster
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On Super Bowl Sunday in Abilene, Texas, a 4-year-old girl was tucked into bed—safe, or so it seemed. By morning, she was gone. Seventeen wounds. No forced entry. No stranger in the night. Only someone who knew exactly who, and why, she was killed. Join John Conner as he dives deep into the dark to discuss the murder of Ella Bennett. Will this case be enough to make you check the locks?

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Sources:

A Teenage Psychopath's 911 Call

The Family I Had (2017) - Documentary

Ella Bennett, The Four-Year-Old Who Was Killed By Her Brother

Why my ‘monster’ son murdered and molested my daughter

A Love Story…A Mom, Her Kids, The World | southernliberalman

Savannah woman turns tragedy into triumph through the Ella Foundation

Charity Lee • WildBlue Press True Crime Website

Paris Bennett, 13, Raped And Murdered His 4-Year-Old Sister | by Sal | Lessons from History | Medium




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[SPEAKER_04]: A single mother who grew up with her own violent history was working to give her children a better life, but during one February night everything would be shattered, and a family would never be the same.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Join me, John Conner, as I discussed the murder of Ella Bennett.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is Check-A-Lox Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hello, and thank you for joining me as I dive into yet another truly terrifying true crime case.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Before we get started, hope you're having a wonderful week and join some of this nice spring weather that's been blowing through.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully it is starting to get warm where you are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But more importantly, thank you for letting me hang out with you while you're going about your day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever it is that you're getting into, really appreciate you putting on the podcast and letting me tag along with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: With that being said, let's go ahead and talk about what we're going to be getting into this week.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, want to be very upfront, honest with you all, this one was very rough for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think it'll be rough for some of our listeners.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, if you are triggered by sexual assault and violent, especially towards

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[SPEAKER_04]: Children.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is not going to be the case for you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I also do want to let you know that there is going to be some audio from a 911 call that is played in this episode that might be a little rough to hear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to go ahead and get that out of the way up front to that nobody is surprised.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the last thing we want to do is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: offend anyone or or make something hard to listen to, would rather you have that information up front.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do have to say I am super surprised that I did not know more about this case and I'm very interested to hear from our listeners our locksmiths because I think this is going to generate a lot of really interesting conversation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was aware of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was a documentary that I referenced that came out

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I knew a little bit about this case, but really diving into it, I cannot believe that this is not a much more well known case, something that's out there in the zeitgeist a little bit more maybe it is, maybe I just don't know, maybe this is something that you're very familiar with or something that you have followed for me, I think we are in a.

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[SPEAKER_04]: world now where true crime gets a lot more focused than maybe it did when this particular case unfolded.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I do think if something like this were to happen today, you know, I think everybody would have their eyes on it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't know if that was the case back then.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So

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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, maybe I'm wrong.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe this is something you are super familiar with, but I'm really excited to hear what the listeners have to say, you know, what your thoughts are around this case and really dive in and break it down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So with that being said, I'm going to go ahead and quit the Gabby Gabby.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll get to the Stabby Stabby.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go ahead and break down this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was February 7, 2007, Super Bowl Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In charity, he was working the late shift at a buffalo

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[SPEAKER_04]: The waitress was trying to make a new life for herself and her children, her 13-year-old son Paris, and her four-year-old daughter Ella.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Charity had endured a traumatic upbringing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In 1980, when she was only six years old, her father, Bobby Lee Bennett, was murdered inside the family's Atlanta home.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He had been shot several times in the back of the head, leading investigators to believe that he had been executed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Charity's mother, Kyla Claire Bennett, quickly became the main suspect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The couple have been separated for some time, but on a trip to Vegas, they remarried only 57 hours before the murder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now Bobby Lee ran a successful trucking business, and now that they were remarried, Kyla stood to inherit not only the company, but the profits as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Investigators learned that Kyla had been asking around about the cost of a hitman before the death, so she was arrested and charged with a murder for a higher scheme, with authorities believing that the woman had paid someone to murder Bobby Lee Bennett.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The case would go to trial, but Kyla would ultimately be acquitted, but for charity, the trauma was intense, and as she grew up, she searched for new ways to cope with the tragic events that had occurred.

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[SPEAKER_04]: eventually leading to both mental health and addiction issues.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, in a documentary called The Family I Had that was released in 2017, charity described her teenage years, saying that by age 17, she was addicted to heroin, but somehow managed to graduate high school with honors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: By age 18, she had managed to get sober, but she was still unhappy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So she made a deal with herself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If she didn't find some sense of purpose within a month, she would intentionally overdose.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was during that time the charity learned that she was pregnant with her first child, a boy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Born in 1993, charity would name him Paris Lee Bennett, who at the time would be the reason for the new mother to live.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Charity stayed clean, and as time passed, Paris grew older.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a calm and intelligent child, scoring 141 on the IQ test.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was artistic and loved to draw, and like most kids, he would have emotional outbursts and tantrums, but overall he seemed to be a well-behaved child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Charity was proud of her son, and eight years later, she would learn that she was pregnant with the second child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This time, a girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But during the pregnancy, Paris was not excited.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The now-eight-year-old boy didn't want to sibling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was reportedly very unhappy that his mother was having another child, seeming to completely withdraw from charity and heart-waring resentment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But when Ella was born on April 12th, 2002, things seemed to change.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Paris was affectionate and caring for his little sister.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The two were inseparable and seemed to adore one another.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But sadly, this wouldn't be the case forever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As the children grew older, Paris realized he was no longer the center of attention, and Alice seemed to be the favorite child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, Paris was quiet and reserved, while Ella was outspoken and bubbly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And things would only get worse as Paris entered adolescence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was around this time that Charity struggles with addiction resurfaced, leading to his

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[SPEAKER_04]: Paris seemingly upset by his mother's relapse began acting out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: On one occasion, the boy was scolded for breaking one of his sister's toys, so in response Paris grabbed a kitchen knife, waving it at charity and her mother, Kyla.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Charity and her mother chased him through the house before being able to calm him and take the knife away.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, because of this and other behavioral concerns, charity later admitted her son into a psychiatric facility, an upon evaluation doctors noted that he was obsessed about shooting and killing, saying that he suffered from both homicidal and suicidal ideation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But surprisingly, he was only held for a week before being discharged.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Worse, there was no long-term treatment plan set in place, and because of this, Paris's

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, when 2005, the family decided to move to Texas, hoping to be closer to charities in Mother Kyla.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But soon, Paris would go from ideation to action.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In the events that followed would leave a trail of death and devastation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: On the night of February 7th, 2007, Cherokee left for her waitressing job, leaving Paris and Ella home with a college student that she had hired to babysit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The night began normally.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The kids watched a movie and ate Chinese food for dinner and after Ella went to bed, Paris stayed up to do his homework.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then, at around 10 p.m., Paris somehow convinced the babysitter to go home.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And for some strange reason, the babysitter believed the 13-year-old, so she left.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And once alone in the house, Paris put his sinister plan in emotion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: First, he got online, looking up videos on SNM, bondage, and sadomastic pornography, even search for snuff films.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When he was finished, he went to the kitchen and retrieved a knife, before entering four-year-old

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[SPEAKER_04]: Once inside, Paris began to assault his sister sexually, while simultaneously stabbing Ella 17 times, growing more aroused as he became more and more violent, ultimately killing his younger sister.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When he was finished, Paris called a friend from school, confessing to what he had done and talking for about six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: when he was finished with that call, he decided to call 911.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, confessing to the vicious attack on his younger sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe 911 is a low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Abling 911, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I told you, I've actually reached the old boom, but you think you've reached the old boom body?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, okay, what's your sister now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did she breathe in?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'd love two, two, three, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four

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[SPEAKER_04]: In the recording, Paris could be heard planning at a fence while speaking to the 9-1-1 operator.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Telling her that he was hallucinating and that he thought his sister was a demon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The dispatcher on the call asked Paris to administer CPR to Ella, providing instructions over the phone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In the recording, Paris could be heard counting as if he was doing what he was asked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do what I want you to do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I want you to put your hands on a chest, through the room, okay?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I want you to put 30 times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to count.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a way to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then blow soubless in how now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Two, three, four, five, five, six, seven,

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it would later be learned that he made no attempt to resuscitate his sister.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Police arrived on the scene and arrested the 13-year-old boy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And as he was being taken into custody, another set of officers with tasks with the truly heartbreaking job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They had to tell charity that Ella was dead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They arrived shortly after 12.30 a.m., and formed charity that Ella had been hurt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The mother demanded to be taken to her daughter to which the officer was responded, you can't go, she's dead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, detectives were interviewing Paris about what had happened that night, and the teenager continued to try to spin his wild tail, claiming that he was hallucinating

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[SPEAKER_04]: But investigators noticed something odd.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Paris seemed to be faking his distress, often attempting to cry, but failing to shed a single actual tear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, Paris would eventually disclose the true reason for taking out his life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was angry with his mother for her relapse, and he wanted her to pay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: so to punish her, Paris took both of charity's children that night.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Taking Ella's life and putting himself behind bars for her murder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Paris told detectives that he had also planned on killing his mother when she returned home from work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But instead, he called 911 after realizing that taking the life was harder than he thought.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Besides, if he killed his mother, she would suffer from maybe a few minutes, but taking both of her children, that would cause suffering that would last a lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Parasley Bennett was sentenced to 40 years in prison with a possibility of parole after 20.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The maximum sentence allowed in juvenile court.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And for a while, it seemed that the teenager had gotten exactly what he hoped for.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After Ella's murder, Charity experienced crushing sadness, attempting to cope with heavy drinking, even attempting suicide several times by trying to overdose on sleeping pills.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But as the years passed, Charity spent time reflecting, and unbelievably, she somehow managed to forgive her son.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In January of 2020, Charity released a book called How Now Butterfly, a Memoir.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In In It She wrote, my son is a psychopath.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't help him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That may not matter in the long run.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What may matter is I can't, not at this point, give up on him either.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love my first born with his much intensity as I have since the day I found out I was pregnant with him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, the book ends in the year 2011, the same year that charity formed the non-profit foundation Ella, which stands for empathy, love, lessons, and action, with the goal of helping others who have been affected by violence, mental illness, and the criminal justice system.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, according to a Facebook post by Charity in 2021, the foundation is currently on high-eightest due to the COVID outbreak.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The following year, Charity learned that she was pregnant with her third child, a boy that she would name Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And as her son has grown older, she's been very open and honest with him, both about who Ella was and who his brother is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even allowing the two to occasionally speak on the phone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, many critics seem to disagree with this, saying, why would you let Phoenix talk to Paris after he brutally murdered your daughter?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But for charity, it's about setting an example.

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[SPEAKER_04]: One that demonstrates how unconditional love and forgiveness both look and behave.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Parisley Bennett will be eligible for parole in February of 2027.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's this week's case, but as always, I did want to share some of my final thoughts with you just to wrap up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So as I mentioned at the top of the episode, this was very, very hard for me to get through.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There are not a lot of cases that I do where I kind of question, why am I doing this podcast?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is my day off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why am I looking into something so heavy?

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is definitely one of those cases where I just really struggled.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have a daughter who is not much older

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[SPEAKER_04]: And to think that this beautiful, bubbly, vibrant child, not only lost her life, but lost her life to her brother.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have two sisters and it has always been your job as to protect your sisters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's your siblings.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Those are your A1 from day one, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like those are your people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Those nobody messes with your siblings, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so to think that

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ella was assaulted in the way that she was and then to lose her life to her brother is just absolutely it's it's just heartbreaking and then to think about what charity had to go through you know I don't really get my wife involved in a lot of this podcast just because true crime isn't really her it's not her wheelhouse right she's not a fan of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the kind of stuff that I'm into, the kind of stuff that, you know, we as a community listen to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Part of that is she's a therapist in real life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So she's hearing things, you know, way more frequently than than maybe you and I would be.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, when she comes home, that's not the way that she chooses to unwind, where, you know, again, I am very into this kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But

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[SPEAKER_04]: We went to lunch today and we were sitting down and I was just like, hey, I want to pick your brain on this because I want to see how you would feel.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I gave her a high level breakdown of the case tried to spare some details where I could, but I asked her, you know, if you were charity, to you think you would also be able to ultimately forgive your son, you know, because

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[SPEAKER_04]: these kids come into the world and it's not their choice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We make them appear from nothing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's us saying, hey, guess what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now you get to be here and as you get older, you're going to have problems and you're going to have to figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And charity, obviously recognize some of these red flags and you know, try to get them help by by taking him for the psychiatric evaluation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And there was

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[SPEAKER_04]: clear signs like listen he's he's obsessed with wanting to hurt people and and he's got homicidal and suicidal ideation but we're just going to get him out of here and we don't have any plan like good luck you know so there was definitely signs and I think in some ways he was failed and it led to this this tragic again I have no sympathy for

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[SPEAKER_04]: It seems like again, it was the perfect combination of a lot of mental health issues and then just feeling hurt, you know, and again, why don't excuse it, I do think it's kind of important that we understand why some of these things might happen, but.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I say that to say, like, you know, if we had two children ask my wife, like, as heartbroken and devastating chatter, it is we would be, do you think you would have the the capability to forgive your other child and both of us were like, I don't think we would have a choice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I love my daughter more than anything in the world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think there's ever any world I could live in where I did not look at her face.

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[SPEAKER_04]: feel that love, that love of I brought you into this world and you are a part of me and your part of your mother and you're the best thing that I've ever created.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that goes away even when your child does something horrific.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it seems like there was a lot of mental health issues and trouble not only with charity and her kids, but just diving into the family history and sadly it

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[SPEAKER_04]: It just ended terribly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, you have those people who criticize her for allowing her, her youngest child to talk to Paris.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And from what I understand, I watch a lot of the documentary.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Pierre's Morgan also interviewed Paris of all people for a show called Psychopath.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And in that interview, Paris, you know, says very clearly, you know, if I were to ever be released,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would never do anything to hurt anybody else if I were to ever feel those feelings again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would, you know, hurt myself as opposed to hurting somebody else.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, he also says that he still deeply loves Ella, but there is that question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you got her all coming up next year.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, is this something where you are truly a psychopath?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you are trying to lay the groundwork to say, like, yes, look, I'm remorseful for what I've done.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I've done 20 years here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or is it genuine?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think we have any way to know, but I do know that there are a lot of people have fear that if he does get out, that he would continue to go after charity and he would potentially go after Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And from what I understand now, there isn't really any contact between charity and Paris.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure exactly what has changed, but she has maintained that no matter what their communication status is or anything like that, that she does love her son unconditionally.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I wanted to throw that out to you, the listeners, the locksmiths.

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[SPEAKER_04]: would you feel the same way?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know we have a lot of parents that are listening, you know, is this something where, you know, you feel the same?

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're like, you wouldn't have any choice to have that unconditional love or do you think differently?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But for me, this is going to be a 10 out of 10 on the deadbolt test.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is absolutely a terrifying case.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And again, I'm going to be really interested to hear whether or not this is something that you were aware of.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I just

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[SPEAKER_04]: definitely want to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But these cases for some reason, they always just seem to put things into a different perspective.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, just thank you for listening and if you got babies at home, give them a hug, tell them that you love them, wrap your arms around them because the world that we live in is crazy and you don't know what's promised, you know, there's nothing saying that we're going to be here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: two weeks from now, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So tell the people you love that you love them, why you got the chance to, and I just want you to know that I love y'all, and I appreciate you listening to the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And again, if you're sharing this show in any way, shape, or form, just know it does mean the world to me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Again, we are a small podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you tell them people to listen and letting people know it exists.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It just brings more members into our community and it helps this little podcast to grow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is just one guy in a spare bedroom in his house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So anything you share just helps to make that just a little bit bigger.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's all that I have for this week's case, but please make sure that you're subscribed to check the locks in your favorite podcast app so that you never miss an episode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I will see you again next week with another truly terrifying, true crime case, but until then, remember, monsters are real.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So stay safe, stay ready, and don't forget to check the locks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: See you next week.