True Crime for the Short on Time: Something in the Candy

0:00:01 - Announcement 

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0:00:46 - John Conner

Welcome back to Check the Locks presents True Crime. For the short on time, as always, I'm John Conner. I'm Olivia Cornu, saying thank you for joining us this week as we dive into yet another truly terrifying. This episode is going to be a truly bite-size true crime case. Olivia, how are you Wonderful to see you. And also, I don't know if you've noticed, but my voice is kind of back, so I'm excited to do this. 

0:01:07 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah, you actually sound human again there. For a while it was touch and go. 

0:01:11 - John Conner

It's half human. I still got a little gravel. I'm working through it, but I'll tell you what compared to how I was feeling when we recorded. Usually we record these episodes back to back and I had to tap out after that last one. I was like I can't do it. So it's a little bit different than we normally do it, but I'm super happy to be here. It's almost Halloween. 

0:01:28 - Olivia Cornu

Favorite time of the year. 

0:01:30 - John Conner

Oh, my God, I'm so excited. 

0:01:32 - Olivia Cornu

I also liked your little pun, and I only know it because I know what this case is about. But your truly bite-sized case. 

0:01:38 - John Conner

Oh yeah, we're going to get into it here in just a minute because I know you're short on time. I'm short on time, but this episode has a real bite to it. It is, I think, going to be really good and it really ties in to the spirit of Halloween when we think about some folklore and some urban legend, things like that. That's what really piqued my interest about this. So I'm super, super excited to get into it. But I just want to give a reminder. Remember our listeners. Next week we've got the great Jessica Gomez joining us for our Halloween episode. She just wrote a new movie review. You can check it out on allhorrornet. If you're feeling, you know, trying to get in that Halloween mood, check it out. It is on all horror. You can find it at Read it there. But I've been chatting with her. I'm super excited for her to come on and I think it's going to be a great time. 

0:02:25 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah, I'm super excited for her episode. 

0:02:27 - John Conner

She's like our only recurring guest, so it's like a big deal. It gets festive around here. Well, Olivia, like I said, I know you're short on time, I'm short on time, the listeners are like we can hear you now, John, like get to the episode. So what do you say? Should we quit the Gabby? Gabby get with the stabby stabby for this special Halloween short on time episode. 

0:02:48 - Olivia Cornu

Let's do it. 

0:02:50 - John Conner

Awesome. Well, this week is taking us back to Halloween night in Pasadena, texas, in the year 1974. Houston based optometrist Ronald O'Brien had offered to take his children, eight year old Timothy and five year old Elizabeth, trick or treating. Now, on this Halloween, they were joined by Jim Bates, a family friend, and his two children. The two families knew each other well as they both attended the same Baptist church in Pasadena. Now, both men's wives, danino Brian and Gene Bates, had stayed home to pass out candy to the small ghouls and goblins who may ring the bell that night. 

Dressed in costume, the O'Brien and the Bates children went door to door, bags open in hopes of handfuls of treats, and as they continued on their quest for candy, they came upon a dark house. The children rang the bell, but there was no answer, and after waiting a minute, jim Bates encouraged the kids to continue down the block, but Ronald O'Brien seemed to linger behind, and after only a few minutes he caught up to the group and in O'Brien's hands were pixie sticks. Now I wanted to ask you, olivia, because you think about pixie sticks now right, when I think about them, I think maybe like three or four inches long, like the skinny ones. How do you remember pixie sticks from when you were a kid? 

0:04:08 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah, so you had the little ones that were in the paper, which were the best ones, and then you get the super mega ones that were in, like the plastic tubes, and they had, like, the paper at the top. So, you'd rip the paper off. I think you might even had to cut those open, or they might have just squeezed open. I can't remember, but the paper ones were like what I remember getting at Halloween. 

0:04:28 - John Conner

Yeah, I remember them from, like the skating rinks. Like you go to the skating rink and go in and buy, like you know, 27 pixie sticks for like 10 cents. But they're a little skinny ones. In the 70s these things were completely different. They were roughly 21 inches long, so if you had a pixie stick it was like a big tube and it was over two feet just well, close to two feet. 

0:04:50 - Olivia Cornu

Those had been like the big plastic ones yeah. 

0:04:52 - John Conner

Yeah, these the big, like honking plastic ones, was crazy. So as I was doing the research I was like there's no way those things could exist now. They're like parents just wouldn't get them for their kids anymore, but like they're huge 21 inches of like sugar powder yeah, does the dip a stick, or whatever they were called. Yeah, you're talking about fun dip, which is crazy because Millie loves it Anytime. 

0:05:17 - Olivia Cornu

we get it for her. 

0:05:18 - John Conner

She's all about it. But even that is like a small package, a little piece of candy. It's not a 21 inch like two inch diameter tube of sugar right. 

0:05:28 - Olivia Cornu

You used to get three packets. You used to get three flavors when you used to get fun dip. Now I think they just make one little packet, or they still make the three individual one. 

0:05:38 - John Conner

I think you could probably get them either way. But I know you know if we're getting from Millie we're like the one is good, you know yeah, yeah. 

Also for the listeners at home. I forgot to mention this as we when we started this episode, but Olivia is currently recording from her childhood bedroom in her childhood bed currently, so it's a real like. She's got a very comfy thing going. She's laid down and relaxed. So if you hear her snoring it's just cause she fell asleep as we were recording this but thought we would let everybody know. I might post the picture in the Facebook group just showing her beautiful background and stuff like that. But I hope that you stay comfy through the rest of this episode. 

0:06:15 - Olivia Cornu

You know as much as you think I'm comfy my shoulder over. Here is a little, not a lot, of pressure on you, you need to cut more pillows, yeah. Then I might get too comfy. Okay, keep going, keep going. 

0:06:27 - John Conner

So these are kids, right. So of sweet and sour fruit flavored powder, you're going to be super excited. Now, according to Ronald, after the kids had left the home and went down the street, someone had come outside and gave the candy sticks to him. Now, on this Halloween night, it was chilly and rainy and the children only managed to make it about two blocks worth of houses before calling it quits. When the O'Brien's return home, they need left to visit a friend, and Ronald was tasked with getting the children ready for bed. After they were settled, ronald told both Timothy and Elizabeth that each could have one piece of candy before bed. Timothy, excited the offer, chose the pixie stick. Elizabeth would pick a different candy, and as Timothy ate the powder, he complained that it tasted bitter. That is when Ronald O'Brien gave him a glass of Kool-Aid to help wash it down. 

But then, only a short few minutes later, a terrifying tragedy began. Timothy began to feel intense cramping in his stomach. He ran to the bathroom vomiting intensely, and soon the young boy was foaming at the mouth as he convulsed on the bathroom floor, ronald O'Brien holding his son in his arms as his small body went limp. And by the time the ambulance arrived it was too late. Eight year old Timothy O'Brien was dead, and the police quickly began to investigate the boy's murder. They asked about anything that Timothy had ingested that evening, and it was then that detectives made a startling discovery the pixie stick that the boy had eaten was loaded with potassium cyanide. In fact, two inches of the 21 inch tube were packed with the poison. It would later be determined that the amount that Timothy had ingested was enough to have killed two grown men. 

Investigators needed to know where the poison candy had come from, and they asked Ronald O'Brien to take them to the home that gave them the poison treat. The homeowner, courtney Melvin, was promptly arrested, but Melvin told police that he had been working on that Halloween night and nearly 200 co-workers could place him there. This made Melvin's alibi airtight. He couldn't have passed out the poison. So the question remained where did the cyanide lace sticks come from? This was the question that made authorities take a closer look at Ronald O'Brien. You see Ronald was having some serious financial issues. He was $100,000 in debt, which adjusted for inflation in 1974. $100,000 would be the equivalent to $602,000 today. 

0:09:12 - Olivia Cornu

What was he buying? I don't know $100,000 a house was like 20 grand. I feel like back then. 

0:09:19 - John Conner

Yeah, I don't know what he was buying. It definitely seems like he had some problem, but in the research I couldn't really find exactly what it was. But he was definitely having some crazy spending habits. Now his car was about to be repossessed and the family's home was facing a possible foreclosure. Additionally, Ronald was most likely going to be fired by the Texas State Optical Board over allegations of theft, and it was then that investigators made the most damning discovery. Now, in January of 1974, Ronald had taken a $10,000 shared life insurance policy out on Timothy and Elizabeth. But on October 3rd, shortly before Timothy's death, he had taken an additional $10,000 policy out on each individual child, which I don't know about you, but to me there's something highly suspicious about that. 

0:10:14 - Olivia Cornu

That's pretty suspect. 

0:10:18 - John Conner

Yeah, definitely suspect. For sure, Super sus bro. 

The show show. They also found out that O'Brien had asked his community college professor about cyanide. Additionally, a chemical plant worker recalled O'Brien asking where he may be able to buy some. And finally, when Ronald had told the children that they could have a piece of candy, they learned that Timothy originally went for a sucker, but O'Brien told him that he didn't have the time and suggested he eat the pixie stick instead. Also in my research, what I found was really interesting is that Timothy went to try to eat it, but it was super jammed in the tube and O'Brien actually had to roll it between his fingers for the powder to come out, which you know means whatever was in there was super jammed in there, tight, like it was loaded. 

0:11:13 - Olivia Cornu

See and down in the south when the humidity is so high. Sometimes your pixie sticks were just stuck. Yeah, they turned in like that wouldn't have even been a thought for me. 

0:11:23 - John Conner

Yeah, it's not a pixie stick, it's a pixie stuck. 

0:11:26 - Olivia Cornu

Right. 

0:11:27 - John Conner

Because it won't come out. 

0:11:28 - Olivia Cornu

So who do you think was coming up with this? The daughter, like the daughter, you think, is where all this information was coming from. 

0:11:34 - John Conner

From what I could tell, yes, because it would have been the daughter and Timothy and Ronald who were home at that time. 

0:11:40 - Olivia Cornu

And. 

0:11:40 - John Conner

Elizabeth was five years old. I mean Millie just turned five, I mean she could she's smart. 

She could tell you what happened in a given night. But at this point it seemed that the truth of what had happened was actually coming into focus. Ronald O'Brien had murdered his son and had planned to murder his daughter, elizabeth, as well. In fact, the morning after Timothy's death, ronald O'Brien contacted the insurance company asking about how he could collect the payout. A search warrant of the home was executed and investigators found a pair of scissors with traces of both cyanide and the pixie stick filling. The police now believe that O'Brien had planned on poisoning his own children, but he had to shift suspicion. Their theory was that the murderous father hid the pixie stick up his sleeve. He then gave the tainted candy to his children, as well as the baits children, hoping to make it seem like someone was planning on harming innocent trick or treaters. They also learned that O'Brien had given a fifth pixie stick to another little girl who was just out randomly trick or treating that night. But luckily no other children were harmed. 

Ronald O'Brien was arrested on November 5th 1974. During his trial he continued to claim that someone else had given the pixie sticks to the children. According to O'Brien, a man's hairy arm stuck out from the door of the dark home that Halloween night holding the pixie sticks. But the jury didn't buy it and it only took them 46 minutes for a guilty verdict to come back. And on June 3rd 1975, ronald O'Brien was sentenced to death by the electric chair. Now, over the next 10 years, he would exhaust all of his appeal options and he would have multiple stays of execution. During this time, texas would actually scrap the electric chair and adopt lethal injection as its death penalty method. And on March 31st 1984, ronald O'Brien was put to death. Now, on that day, nearly 300 people showed up yelling trick or treat while throwing candy at anti-death penalty protesters, which I thought was super intense. Like these people were psyched for this guy to get a death penalty. Yeah, I mean, what would? 

0:13:59 - Olivia Cornu

have happened if he would have killed all these other children? 

0:14:02 - John Conner

Well, and that's definitely what we're going to talk about, because I think it ties into like part of the motive or what the plan was. But I mean you have to think this was 10 years after and 300 people still were still so wrapped up and invested and had it in the front of the mind what this guy did that they show up 10 years later to celebrate him getting the lethal injection. Now, after Ronald O'Brien had taken his last breath, timothy's mother, danine, was quoted as saying he made his bed and now he's having to lie in it. I have no pity for him. 

0:14:40 - Olivia Cornu

Nor do I. He killed his own child over some debt. 

0:14:44 - John Conner

And could have potentially killed several other children. 

0:14:47 - Olivia Cornu

Just innocent kids. This was a doozy, John. 

0:14:51 - John Conner

Well, and the reason I picked this one is, you know, kind of like what I talked about before, this really ties in that folklore, right, there's always been the like the razor and the apple, or, you know, like the needle and the chocolate, like these like urban legends that you hear about people poisoning candy and stuff. 

And this story really stuck out to me because this is somebody who was trying to capitalize on that and basically saying like, oh, I can use this urban legend idea and be like, yeah, somebody in the neighborhood just went crazy and wanted to kill a bunch of kids on Halloween, right, poisoned them all with cyanide, you know. And so it's just like Elizabeth O'Brien was five Millie, just had her fifth birthday, wow. So I'm like thinking about, like, what kind of person are you that you could do this? I mean, I would lose everything. You could take my house, you could take my car, like I would give you anything to keep my kids safe. So I don't understand and like to do that to your friends, like your friends from church. I don't know, it's crazy. 

0:15:51 - Olivia Cornu

So yeah, like all the kids, like you're out trick or treating. It's like when I was a kid we'd go out trick or treating with my friends, my best friend at the time's mom. She would take us sometimes and we will walk up and down the street and not even giving two cares in the world about what house we were going to, who was there, whatever, but she was always standing at the end of the sidewalk like waiting for us. But like that would be. Like if she shot out Mama Angie, if she would have poisoned us with potassium cyanide. You know what I mean. 

0:16:17 - John Conner

Like yeah, we go trick or treating every year with Millie, but now we go to one neighborhood Like we do a family thing. We have a cousin who lives in the neighborhood. The neighborhood takes it really seriously. And you know it's just, but I was like you where it was, like when you were little, I mean we would do two costumes, we would do the whole neighborhood, come home, put another costume on and go do the whole neighborhood again, like it was like how much candy could I get? 

you know, and even as a kid you know those stories, you know it's like you know, like you said, I think you were telling me your grandma used to make popcorn balls and popcorn balls she stopped making them because of those like stories and stuff like that, Right. 

0:16:55 - Olivia Cornu

And I just I don't understand. Like I mean, I remember like when we would have Halloween candy, but make sure they're not open, like don't eat anything. Like I still feel like we were able to eat stuff, especially if we knew what house they came from, which is even more shocking because it would be like, oh well, Mr Ronald just gave me this, so I'm going to have it. Like you, you trust this person and you think that it's safe, and you trust them with your kid because you're trick or treating with them. But yeah, no, no, yeah. 

0:17:24 - John Conner

It's sad. I think the hardest part for me was going through and like this kid came home so excited, right Cause, like you've been a kid- You've seen kids before bed? Yeah, and I remember you know it's something that I do with Millie now that like my mom and dad used to do with me, but it's like okay, I got to check it to make sure it's not poison, and like you eat a piece because that's like we're out of the you know that's how mom and dad get to have some, some steal, some candy right. 

But like just thinking about like how excited I used to be when I came home or seeing my kid get done trick or treating and dump it out on the floor, and you're just so excited and you're what all you got. 

0:18:02 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah, you'd go through all your loot and just see what you got. 

0:18:04 - John Conner

I'm like all my Reese's over here, because this is like the go, like peanut butter chocolate. This is where it's at. 

0:18:09 - Olivia Cornu

But you put your bottle caps over to the side. The trash pile the wall Candy corn. You know I like candy corn. 

0:18:15 - John Conner

I see I'm somebody who does like candy corn as well, in moderation. 

0:18:19 - Olivia Cornu

Just need to go into the trash pile Dots, whoppers and bottle caps. 

0:18:25 - John Conner

Yeah, I'm not a big malt like the like the whopper malt candy Like I'm not even really a big chocolate eater. 

0:18:31 - Olivia Cornu

I got to eat chocolate and it's every now and then like a crave, a piece of chocolate. But I'm a sour candy girl all the way. Gummy bears and sour candy. 

0:18:38 - John Conner

We got a jar of double dipped chocolate peanuts from the Girl Scouts. 

0:18:42 - Olivia Cornu

They would sit there forever. 

0:18:44 - John Conner

Oh, it's like an eight ounce jar. We had it maybe a day and I was like these are mine. They're gone now. I just smashed them. But like I remember that, like that was your reward, that was like I've conquered this neighborhood and now I get to come home and like I get. You know what I mean. And so thinking about this kid who came home and he was so excited and was just like ready to dive into, like when you're a kid that's literal treasure. You know, like this is going to last me until Christmas. I have so much candy and you eat it and then, literally minutes later, you're cramping and throwing up and foaming at the mouth and this poison is just ripping your butt. Like just thinking about what must have been going through that kid's head and the shift from like this is one of my favorite nights ever to like the fear that he must have been feeling in that moment was absolutely heartbreaking to me going through this, you know, and it's just like and for what he's gonna have the piece of candy he wanted. 

0:19:44 - Olivia Cornu

No, he wanted the stock. 

0:19:46 - John Conner

And thankfully his sister was like no, I'm not gonna eat that, I want something else. Because in the research I also learned that Ronald encouraged her to try to eat some of the pixie stick as well, and she was like no, I don't want that. 

She just stuck to her guns and did something different. So I don't know, like I said, it's just yeah, I think it ties into a lot of like that cultural fear that we have about safety and these. There's reasons that these urban legends and like folklore and stuff like that around Halloween and what people do have been around forever and I think this is just like a really good example of how those things can actually manifest themselves in real life. So I mean, I don't know if we're talking deadbolt tests. I mean I know you're not trick or treating this year, but like who says oh my bad. 

What are you going to ask? 

0:20:28 - Olivia Cornu

I haven't decided yet. Well you know I love Halloween. I do. I love dressing up. I like to dress up my dog. I'm sure you saw the dragon cock costume from last year. 

0:20:38 - John Conner

I'm pretty certain. 

0:20:39 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah, oh yeah, I don't get it. Trainers at my new house. I think a trick or treat is on my old house either, because all the big million dollar mansions were on the cross street for me, so they'd walk down that street. They wouldn't walk down my street, but no, I'm not trick or treating this year. 

0:20:57 - John Conner

I don't know if I talked about this last year, but like we've been in this house like six years and I think I could count on maybe one hand the number of trick or treaters we've actually gotten. 

0:21:07 - Olivia Cornu

And I always love trick or treaters. 

0:21:09 - John Conner

So do I. But what I do is every year I go out and buy candy Like we have 300 triggers readers, because I'm like, well, if this is the year, yeah, and then I buy what I want. 

0:21:20 - Olivia Cornu

Yeah so then I just have all this candy. And Kara's like candy is expensive these days. 

0:21:25 - John Conner

But Kara's like I know what you're doing. That isn't for kids. You're like stocking yourself up like a squirrel to get through the winter. 

0:21:31 - Olivia Cornu

Oh, now I got colleagues who have kids and so she's like, yep, we're about to have a restock of our candy pile. I'm like, come on, bring it in. 

0:21:39 - John Conner

I went to therapy after Halloween last year and my therapist was like do you want some candy? We thought we're going to have a bunch of trigger treaters. So like I'm at therapy, just eating my sour patch, kid. Almond joys and breezes Like, yeah, let's really get in, let's do the work this week. It's really good. 

0:21:57 - Olivia Cornu

So Well, I'm putting it at a nine. 

0:22:01 - John Conner

All right, tell me why. 

0:22:02 - Olivia Cornu

I mean I'm saying a nine but really it could be a 10. I mean, I was that kid. I remember being in Timothy's shoes, coming home from a night of trick or treating, dumping your bag out on the floor, wanting that piece of candy before bed, and I just never in a million years could even imagine that my own father would poison me. But here have a pixie stick. So this is. It's devastating. And you know, ronald O'Brien is very lucky that other children didn't die because of his stupidity. That's what I'm going to say. Yeah, what about you? I know you're going to go with a 10. 

0:22:32 - John Conner

Oh, it's a 10 all the way. It's a 10 for exactly what you said, where you know being that kid, like that's. I think that's part of the reason why I still love Halloween so much. Like I love the scary decorations, I love the rush, I love you know being like I cannot wait to get home and like see what I've done and, like I said, dump it on the floor and you look at your conquest. Like I have done this, you know what I mean. Like I've I've brought this treasure home, and to have something so innocent and beloved by children all across the country be tarnished with something like that is is number one, is heartbreaking. It just it breaks my heart for Timothy and Elizabeth. And then to think just how mad that the Bates family must have been, that like you're going to try to poison my kids because, like you know, you owe somebody money, and then just to think that there is a father out there who thinks that their kids life is worth $20,000. 

Not losing your house, you know, or your car, I mean it's, you know life gets bad, but it gets better. 

Yeah, 100%, and there's like there's nothing in the world that means more to me than my family, you know, like that's number one. So you know, I think that's the thing with Halloween is that it's a time where monsters and and goblins and ghouls and these things that are normally scary and things like that are made to be fun. And unfortunately, ronald O'Brien was a real life monster and there was nothing playful or fun about it. He was just an evil person and just thank God nobody else got hurt. You know, I think so sad for for Timothy and such a terrible loss for his family, but it just could have been so much worse. 

0:24:19 - Olivia Cornu

So yeah, this definitely was a spooky one for Halloween. 

0:24:24 - John Conner

Oh for sure. But you know, as always, we got to throw it over the locksmiths. Olivia, you're putting a nine slash 10. I'm hard 10 all day, but we need the listeners to let us know. Where does the murder of Timothy O'Brien fall on your devil test? You can let us know. Reach out to us on Instagram and check the locks pod. Find us on Twitter, check the locks and, if you're not in our Facebook group, come hang out with us. We would love to get to know you spend a little bit of time with you. 

0:24:53 - Olivia Cornu

It's the best place on the internet, as John always says. 

0:24:56 - John Conner

It is the best place on the internet we actually had today. We had five people join, which I was pretty excited about. 

0:25:02 - Olivia Cornu

So also can you post your family Halloween costume photo in the Facebook group? 

0:25:07 - John Conner

I can. Yeah, we haven't done a family one yet, but there's one, a million then, one of me and Kara. I'll post it for sure. We did, but we just didn't get a chance to get one together. 

0:25:17 - Olivia Cornu

But we have a redo on Tuesday, yeah. 

0:25:19 - John Conner

Yeah, it's not Halloween yet, but we went as twisted sister because my five year old discovered we're not going to take it and loves the music video and apparently things. It's super cool that you know twisted sisters and things. She got to be little de Sniper and then Kara and I were the other people that you don't know their names and twisted sisters. 

0:25:40 - Olivia Cornu

And that is why Millie is the coolest five year older is. 

0:25:43 - John Conner

Oh, she's all about that life dude. She's not going to take it and she wants to rock. So twisted sisters, definitely for her. But speaking of that, I know that we did this last year, but if you are in the Facebook group, we want to see what you were dressing up as for Halloween. So drop some pictures, show us your costume, let us know what you're rocking this year. We would love to see them. I think it's a great way for you know people, to get to know each other and kind of show off their creativity and stuff like that. So please, if you're in our Facebook group, let's, let's see what you're working with this year. 

0:26:12 - Olivia Cornu

I might have to post my snail male picture from two years ago. You know we're pretty cute. 

0:26:18 - John Conner

Do it. All the cuteness. We talk about some really dark stuff on this. So all the cuteness in the Facebook group is always very, very welcomed. 

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0:27:50 - Olivia Cornu

Bye, happy Halloween. 

0:27:51 - John Conner

Happy Halloween.