The Murdered Minister

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1965, an assault on peaceful protesters would stun the nation, leading some to take up the call and travel to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, one minister would lose his life in the pursuit of equality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join me, John Connor, as I discussed the murder of James Reeb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Check The Locks Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back and thank you for joining me as we dive into yet another truly terrifying true crime case, except this week it's going to be a truly terrifying historical true crime case, but before I talk a little bit more about that, just wanted to start off by saying I hope you're having a great week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope everything's been going well for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you were listening to this on your way to work or maybe your at work or running errands, just want to say thank you so much for letting me be a part of your day and allow me to hang out with you while you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... i'm actually recording this episode on mlk day so milly was home today got spent a little time with the kiddo and we went out and did some fun dad daughter stuff so again you know hope you're making the most of your time that everything has been going well for you uh... and as i mentioned today is mlk day or at least when i'm recording this this episode actually come out the the Tuesday after but

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you've been listening to the show for a while, you know that I always try to do something around civil rights, something historical around this time of year just because, you know, again, I think today in today's climate, it is super important that we're looking out for other people and, you know, we wouldn't be where we are today without the work of people who've come before us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, again, I know I'm not always the best person to tell these stories, but I do

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[SPEAKER_01]: important and relevant deserve to be told.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're going to do this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to break down a case from 1965.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go ahead, quit the Gabby Gabby, get into the stabby stabby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about this week's case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On March 7, 1965, roughly 600 demonstrators aim to march from Selma to Montgomery, Alabama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The March was led by Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and John Williams, Chairman of the Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, in hopes of securing voting rights for people of color.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see, at the time, only about 335 out of 1,500 of Selma's Black citizens were registered to vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The march began at a local church where the groups started their march with a moment of prayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As the group marched through Selma, they approached the Edmund Pettis Bridge, having no idea what was waiting on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 150 Alabama state troopers, sheriff's deputies, and possemen demanded that the protesters disperse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The marchers were given a two minute warning, but only one minute and five seconds later, the troops advanced, attacking the protesters with clubs, whips, and tear gas, beating and severely injuring several of the activists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John Lewis would suffer a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now footage from the brutal event later named Bloody Sunday would be played across new stations for the country to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of those viewers was a minister named James Reeb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had watched the violence unfold with his wife sitting on their couch in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reeb was born on New Year's Day 1927 in Wichita, Kansas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would serve in the Army towards the end of World War II, and after, Reeb would graduate from a Lutheran College in Minnesota before attending the Princeton Theological Seminary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Graduating in June of 1953.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although ordained as a Presbyterian minister, read what transfers to the Unitarian Church, serving as Assistant Minister at all Souls Church in Washington, D.C. in 1959.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In September of 1963, read would move to Boston, working for the American Friends Service Committee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and his wife would buy a home in a low-income neighborhood and their children were enrolled in public school with many of their classmates being black children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Watching the footage, Reeves Hart broke for the peaceful protesters in Alabama, but the activists refused to stand down, and the next day, Dr. Martin Luther King called on members of the clergy to come to Selma to help with a second attempt at the march, planned for March 9.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Reeve heard about the request, he felt a calling to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that evening, after reading his daughter a bedtime story, his wife drove into the airport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's important to remember that civil rights activists were not welcome in Selma in 1965.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, only three weeks earlier, an unarmed black man named Jimmy Lee Jackson had been shot by police during a peaceful protest in nearby Marion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leading to the Selma march is a response.

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[SPEAKER_01]: tensions were high, but Ree was committed to doing what was right, and on March 9, Dr. King led protesters in clergy to the far side of the Edmund Pettis Bridge, stopping to kneel in prayer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After the group would retreat back, avoiding yet another violent interaction with the Alabama State Troopers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After the symbolic demonstration, several clergy members decided to immediately return home, but a few, including Reeve, decided to stay a while longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That night, Reeve would meet fellow ministers or lock miller and Clark Olson at an integrated restaurant called Walker's Cafe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Walker's was a black-owned restaurant on Selma's Washington street, and Reeve Miller and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Later that evening, Dr. King was scheduled to speak at Brown Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the three men finished eating, they left, planning to attend the speech.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, James Reeb, or Loth Miller and Clark Olson would never make it to the church.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The trio left the restaurant and headed northeast on Washington Street.

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[SPEAKER_01]: as they walked a group of men approached.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They began shouting slurs that three men calling them the end word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Reeb or Lough and Olsen were white men, but to the racist in the town, advocating for the black community meant you were the other and below them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As the group shouted, the three men picked up their pace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Re-walked on the sidewalk closest to the street just behind Olson and Miller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As they walked, Olson looked back and noticed that one of the agitators had caught up, and it was then that the verbal assault turned physical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A club was drawn and swung down hard, hitting James Reed in the side of the head, dropping the ministers to the pavement instantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While on the ground, Reeve curled into a ball as his attackers continued to kick him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Miller and Olsen were also beaten, with both being punched in the face in the chest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally the attackers retreated, and it was then that Miller and Olsen helped James Reeve to his feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At this time he was still conscious, though badly beaten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three men made their way to a local insurance company office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once there an ambulance was called and Reed was taken to the Burwell and Firmary, a black-owned clinic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, at some point the Minister lost consciousness, and after examining the X-rays it was determined that Reed would need a neurosurgeon, but there was a big problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The close to specialists was in Birmingham, almost two hours away from Selma, but it really was James Reed's only option,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, another issue, while in route to the hospital, the ambulance got a flat tire, forcing them to turn around and return to Selma to call another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Read would eventually make it to the hospital and Birmingham, but it would take 3.5 hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A neurosurgeon operated quickly, removing an epidural hematoma, which is a collection of blood that forms between the brain and the skull, but it was too late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in just two days after the attack at the age of 38, Minister James Reeves would pass away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after his death, three men would be arrested and charged with Reeves and Murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elmer Cook, William Stanley Hoggle, in name and O'Neal Hoggle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the following Monday, Dr. King would give the eulogy at a memorial service for Reeve, which was held in Selma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The trial for Almer Cook, William Stanley Hoggle, and Namino Neal Hoggle, would begin in December of 1965.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And from the beginning, it was destined to be doomed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Starting with the prosecutor, Blanchard McCloud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now McCloud had recently been named in a Department of Justice lawsuit for suppressing attempts of African-Americans to register to vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: McLeod openly told reporters that he didn't think a conviction would be possible, claiming that the case against the three attackers was a weak one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clark Olsen and Orlov Miller would be the only witnesses to the attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Identifying cook and the hoggles as the men who attack them, but it wasn't an easy thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a 2014 interview, Olson spoke to the fear that he experienced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in a southern town, accusing three white men of attacking him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the police who were there to protect him were just as racist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The defense team would present 150 witnesses, providing an alibi for each of the three accused.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that events would also argue that Reeves' ambulance had never gotten a flat tire, telling the jury that the civil rights movement needed a white martyr for their cause, claiming that they purposely delayed getting Reeve to the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would take the all-white jury only 97 minutes to deliberate, finding all three defendants not guilty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unsurprisingly, justice for the murder of James Reeve would never come, but his death wouldn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: On March 15, 1965, the same day as Reebs Memorial, President Lyndon B. Johnson gave a speech addressing Congress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In it, President Johnson introduced what would become the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of James Reeve in the process saying, so it was last week in Selma, Alabama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There, long-suffering men and women peacefully protested the denial of their rights as Americans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Many of them were brutally assaulted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One good man, a man of God, was killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: President Johnson would sign the Voting Rights Act in the law on August 6, 1965, ensuring that the previously disenfranchised would gain political equality through the power of the ballot, none of which may have happened without the murder of James Reed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's this week's case and as always I wanted to share some final thoughts just some things that I had been Ruminating on while going through the research and also MPR has done an amazing podcast on this that you can listen to it goes really in depth actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're able to go down to Selman interview some people are still living from that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called White Lies, a true crime story of an unsolved civil rights era murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after this, if you want to go even deeper, you can definitely check that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the first thing that really jumped out at me was just how courageous James Reed was as a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, to be in Boston, to be hundreds of miles away from Selma and to see bloodies Sunday unfold on the television and think to yourself, I have to go there, you know, I'm going to tuck my daughter in a bed, I'm going to get out of plane and step into that situation, not for money, not for fame, not for recognition, anything of that nature, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: to be a voice and to help those without a voice, be able to have one, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as I was going through this, I was just like, man, he really put himself on the line to be there for other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of those things that I don't think everyone has that in them to be able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just kind of thinking about the courageousness that he had and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with him being a man of God, like the calling must have been there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had that moral compass to just say, like, what's happening here and what has happened is not right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they need clergy to be there to walk with them, to pray with them, then he was going to be the one to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we had this moral compass, a sense of bravery, you know, even when these men were harassing him, you've just walked away, you know, and I think there is something really admirable in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sadly, you know, he would go on to lose his life and his wife would lose her husband and his kids will lose their father, but losses his life in a way that

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[SPEAKER_01]: was in sacrifice and in service of others, you know, and I, again, I think that's just something that is just so far above and beyond that it's hard not to look at this person and admire that that strength and that courage and that bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the flip side of that is the cowardice of the hogels in Elmer Cook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they see these guys here who are like, you're different than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you support something different than I do, so I'm going to yell slurs at you and I'm going to follow you up the street and I'm going to You beat you in the head because you support someone that doesn't look like me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is sickening in my stomach, you know, to think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this wasn't even the, an isolated incident, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was just the, the tone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've done other cases previously that just kind of echoes that the hate that was there and the, the segregation and, and, you know, you're lower than me and you're not fit to sit with me or be in the same restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, just the thing of the cowardice of attacking from behind and the reason for the attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: your somehow superior, you know, it's it just blows my mind, but it's also not surprising that it only took 97 minutes for a jury of these dudes friends to be like, no, they didn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I wouldn't then let them go, you know, and then to think about Miller and Olsen and you're having to be there and you're having to testify on the stand to say, like, no, these are the guys, I saw them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw them why they were beating me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw them why they were beating my friend, why they were killing my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you're standing there in a room full of people who do not think the same way that you do, you're accusing one of them of murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the people stand next to you, the sheriffs and the bailiffs are probably buddies with these folks who are wearing white hoods on the weekends, run around, you can't trust anyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I know that it was one of those things that one of these men for years afterwards, because, you know, you don't know, did I say the wrong thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to make sure that my friend gets justice, and I want to do the right thing, and I want to call out to people who did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But am I going to pay the same price for speaking truth?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's, you know, just a lot of interesting back and forth and I can't imagine nor would I ever want to put myself

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the shoes of either of those men and have to go through that, it's just, you know, again, it's absolutely heartbreaking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, to think that this all happened because someone felt that they had to go and stand up, right, they made the ultimate sacrifice to be there for others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, I just thought this story was really interesting and I'll be honest, especially in the parallels of what is happening today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, we don't get super political on the show I try.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that I have people who listen to this who believe all different things politically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, we all have rights, you know, and it is important that we are there to say, you know, hey, now I have rights, but so does this person, and I'm going to support you having your rights the same way I would want somebody to support me having mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and kind of again, going through the research and just thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, man, there's a lot of similarities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's crazy to think about the ways that we've grown and then, you know, in some situations kind of looking like, well, you know, are we really, have we come as far as we'd like to think we have?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, just give you a lot to think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for me, especially with what's going on today, again, I would probably put this case, I would say, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we would all like to think that we're the kind of person who if we saw something terrible happening or something unjust, we would intervene and hopefully not meet this end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, from a devil test, I would probably put this at a six, but from an interesting historical perspective, I think for me this is going to be a ten, a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as always, I want to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The listeners, locksmiths, what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where does the murder of James Reeve fall on your debble test?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, every time we get a new member, we do a post that just says,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to see the members of our group reach out and try to make that person feel welcome right off the bat is one of my favorite things about the group that we're in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's you and you're listening, you're sharing the show telling other people to check it out, just know why I appreciate it more than I could ever tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will see you again next week when until then remember, monsters are real, so stay safe, stay ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget to check the locks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See you next time.